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Bowie
Jun 2, 2005 15:56:13 GMT 1
Post by betabean on Jun 2, 2005 15:56:13 GMT 1
we don't seem to speak much about him. more essential than him ....
i still remember playing a 'monti' compilation over and over when i was 16 (it was all i afforded at the time).
i wonder how many bands form the present batch will have a compilation choc-full of classics in 20 years time.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 5:25:35 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 5:25:35 GMT 1
We'll have to wait though. Don't forget David Bowie started out in a couple of mod bands (I have some recordings of his stint with The Lower Third) before he became what he is today.After all this new batch are still new so we don't know what type of output they'll issue out over the years. Saying that I have a feeling that Bloc Party and the Futureheads may be the ones to last a long time.I'm still waiting for the decade's 'O.K. Computer' and I think it all lies in the hands of this new group.
back to Bowie. In his prime he was an absolute genius my fave albums are: Hunky Dory Low Station to station
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:17:13 GMT 1
Post by betabean on Jun 3, 2005 10:17:13 GMT 1
Saying that I have a feeling that Bloc Party and the Futureheads may be the ones to last a long time. my money's on: tv on the radio the arcade fire franz ferdinand mercury rev beangrowers if they get the right oportunities jens lekman if he gets a decent producer guided by voices are the most underrarted band ever though. elliot smith was getting there. (silly boy!) agreed that bloc party and futureheads have potential, but i think FF are a better band after the first album stage.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:29:16 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 10:29:16 GMT 1
ahhh but I thought you were reffering to the new media sensations (bar franz ferdinand)
tv on the radio will definitely go far- that debut was a taster plus the new health rock ep went into two new territories- drum and bass and african gospel
same goes with arcade fire.
I think mercury rev are already an 'established' band they've got classic status already.
I agree on Beangrowers guided by voices have split up but sayinng that I have a feeling that one day there will be some young band that will cite them as a big influence and revival will start.
jens Lenkman said he's going to avoid recording albums- he wants to do eps only. Personally I hope to god he doesnt get a decent producer.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:33:01 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 10:33:01 GMT 1
hm with franz ferdinand there is a make it or break it situation- if the second album is better than their debut then they've made it & I hope they do I loved the band since I heard the demos.- if not ......bleh. Indiepop will die an ugly death. but resurrect in another form
my cards are still on Bloc Party making that big defining album.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:36:00 GMT 1
Post by betabean on Jun 3, 2005 10:36:00 GMT 1
jens Lenkman said he's going to avoid recording albums- he wants to do eps only. Personally I hope to god he doesnt get a decent producer. producer does not mean a slick sound. he could sound 10 times better with a fresh input which helps him really bring out those songs.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:42:33 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 10:42:33 GMT 1
hmmmm im not sure- although smog and the Mountains goats have made their career high albums with a producer band and studio. Nothing really beats that cheap DIY approach. Hell Jonathan Richman never ever did that and he's influenced load sof bands, has a wealthy back catalogue and is adored.
Sooner or Later Lenkmann will probably use a producer and he may make that 'great' album but I personally prefer homemade approach.
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Jun 3, 2005 10:43:27 GMT 1
Post by betabean on Jun 3, 2005 10:43:27 GMT 1
think phil spector ...
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Jun 3, 2005 10:47:09 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 10:47:09 GMT 1
hmmm a phil spector approach would ham up his sound completely. He already uses harps etc already that would create a sickly mix
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 10:51:54 GMT 1
Post by betabean on Jun 3, 2005 10:51:54 GMT 1
sorry wasn't clear. take the the beatles: good band and good songwriters but with phil spector they became great and timeless.
and that is what lekman needs - his own phil spector. his music is very accesible. it could easily make it to top 10 status and we would still be his fans.
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 11:22:19 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 11:22:19 GMT 1
erm I think let it be is their worst album
I see what you mean but I think the charm he carries would be lost. Some bands or people are much better underproduced. pavement as an example their last two albums weren't great.Or even badly drawn boy- the andy votel production is much better than the rob schnapf and tim rothrock albums
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Bowie
Jun 3, 2005 12:59:35 GMT 1
Post by G.. on Jun 3, 2005 12:59:35 GMT 1
what do you think bout morrissey's attack on bowie .. not too long ago he had said...
"(He is) not the person he was. He is no longer David Bowie at all. Now he gives people what he thinks will make them happy, and they're yawning their heads off. And by doing that, he is not relevant. He was only relevant by accident."
True reality wasnt exactly mind blowing but i dont think bowie ever stood for anything in particular... he's always been fairly chameleon like. I dont think its the same morrissey iether, hes not exactly setting the world afire is he?
the relevant by accident part, probably biggest pile of pants ever.
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Jun 3, 2005 13:33:01 GMT 1
Post by flambookey on Jun 3, 2005 13:33:01 GMT 1
ehh actually, had it not happened the way it happened, my money would've been on the libertines... more than bloc party and futureheads. I'm still hoping for a reunion - i know that that band will kick ass yet again should it release it's third album.
Razorlight are also for the long term, same as with Arcade Fire. I'm not entirely convinced with Bloc Party, and the Futureheads didn't strike me so much.
And well, bob, a great producer doesn't equate with pro tools, crystal clear pristine production. A good producer is one that can bring out the best sound, even in terms of ideas and songwriting tweaks, that a band can acheive. While usually a band has it's own talent, the producer is the one who can bring out the best of that talent. So if a band like Pavement will sound better raw, that's the sound he's going to bring out.
For example - production wise, Steve Albini brought out the best out of Nirvana, in my opinion. In Utero is a much better album than Nevermind - not just songwriting wise.
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Jun 3, 2005 14:30:26 GMT 1
Post by bob on Jun 3, 2005 14:30:26 GMT 1
what do you think bout morrissey's attack on bowie .. not too long ago he had said... "(He is) not the person he was. He is no longer David Bowie at all. Now he gives people what he thinks will make them happy, and they're yawning their heads off. And by doing that, he is not relevant. He was only relevant by accident." True reality wasnt exactly mind blowing but i dont think bowie ever stood for anything in particular... he's always been fairly chameleon like. I dont think its the same morrissey iether, hes not exactly setting the world afire is he? the relevant by accident part, probably biggest pile of pants ever. ok betabean & flambo you made me see producing in a different light. but Libertine- Bowie's Low is one of the stepping stones of post punk- listen to tracks such as what in the world and always crashing in the same car and you'll see what influenced the sound of Britain's post punk bands and New York's No wave scene. In fact when eno went to new york a year after producing Low he noticed the amount of bands which borrowed that sound heavily. Also bands such as The Pop Group and The Bush Tetras openly expressed how Low changed their lives. so yes Bowie is relative to music- oh and whenever you hear lyrics concerning aliens and animals you know that there is bowie involved
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Jun 3, 2005 17:10:01 GMT 1
Post by G.. on Jun 3, 2005 17:10:01 GMT 1
hmm didnt quite mean that he wasnt innovative.. rather that he never settled into some mould that we can define the real bowie..
Just read that Joy Division where called Warsaw, a named coined from bowie song Warszawa.. interesting i thought.
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