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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 12:42:41 GMT 1
'us alt people'...wow...arem hey...
Can YOU mention the last time that an 'alt band' approached a non alt band to play with? All the gigs I hear that feature alt bands usually feature JUST 'alt bands'.
Please enlighten me...
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Post by betabean on Mar 10, 2004 12:44:01 GMT 1
The answer is in my original post P. I mentioned a string of bands who are not alt. If you have come here to discuss, very good, but if you have already decided irrespective of whatever people here have to say we're allw asting each other's time.
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 12:46:18 GMT 1
It's not a problem for me to have an opinion but thinking you're God's gift to the local scene because 'we don't play covers' is nothing but ridiculous. Lumiere are not the first band to not play covers...so their 'achievement' is not an achievment at all.
Maltese wisdom says 'ma min rajtek xebahhtek'. And this applies here as well. If 'alt' bands stick together exclusively, it's only natural that they're associated with each other. Unfortunate? Maybe. But still, that's the way it is.
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 12:49:22 GMT 1
Somehow this reinforces my opinion that there seems to be a prevalent attitude of 'if you're not with us then sod off' that i'm talking about. Nobody is forcing you to discuss with me. The truth hurts. Is that the case here?
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Post by Duff on Mar 10, 2004 12:50:24 GMT 1
I can't remember the last time a punk band asked to play a gig with an alt band... neither do I remember a metal band playing a gig with a punk band.
it's just the way it is. No need to dream up all these conspiracy theories. At the recent reciprocal gathering gig, I don't recall anyone asking an alt band to play there.... 8 bands and no space for an alt band? Well......
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 12:52:31 GMT 1
Could this be because of the attitude i'm telling you? Metal and punk bands have performed concerts together so it really is not a matter of the metal scene (or let's just say part of it) or the punk scene not wanting to play with bands other than those of their particular style.
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Post by betabean on Mar 10, 2004 12:53:43 GMT 1
'us alt people'...wow...arem hey... Can YOU mention the last time that an 'alt band' approached a non alt band to play with? All the gigs I hear that feature alt bands usually feature JUST 'alt bands'. Please enlighten me... and can you mention the contrary? i have managed beangrowers since 1996 and no one from punk or metal has approached us for a joint gig. if they did, we'd certainly be happy to take it up and widen our audience. but i don't take it badly that no one has approached us. because although it could work, you can't jumpstart the scene. it has to evolve naturally. personally i think the underground scene in general is in a pretty healthy state, and is also producing better material than the mainstream. i agree that there should be more collaboration between the different underground scenes, but id on't believe that it should be done just for the sake of it and for keeping up appearances, just to show solidarity between people non-mainstream. i'll repeat myself but such things can't be engineered. there has to be natutal points of convergence. while i am not an official spokesperson of the local alt scene, i feel my views are pretty representative, and i can honestly say that there is no conscious effort to detach ourselves.
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Post by Duff on Mar 10, 2004 12:54:52 GMT 1
No I don't think it is. That's my take on it.
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Post by betabean on Mar 10, 2004 12:57:18 GMT 1
Maltese wisdom says 'ma min rajtek xebahhtek'. And this applies here as well. If 'alt' bands stick together exclusively, it's only natural that they're associated with each other. Unfortunate? Maybe. But still, that's the way it is. I won't beat around the bush: that is pretty ignorant statement. Maybe you should state what bands you like, and if you're in a band yourself. Then I would be able to counteract with similar sweeping statements. Which is bullshit. Lets keep this discussion rational.
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 12:58:28 GMT 1
No because I don't represent any band. But if you mention just a couple of gigs were 'alt bands' played with other bands then I would believe your points...
I can only think of one gig where an 'alt' band played with other bands and this was organised by people outside of the music scene.
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Post by betabean on Mar 10, 2004 13:00:40 GMT 1
Somehow this reinforces my opinion that there seems to be a prevalent attitude of 'if you're not with us then sod off' that i'm talking about. Nobody is forcing you to discuss with me. The truth hurts. Is that the case here? I have said nothing of the sort. Please read carefully, and slow down on that reply button. You have said nothing constructive so far, and that is the bottom line. Can you concede just 1 point? Go back to your original post and follow how this discussion had developed. And be man enough to say that at best you disagree, but there have been some very valid points made which you seem to be ignoring totally
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 13:01:44 GMT 1
Of course I'm ignorant. I'm not part of the 'alt scene' remember? I am in a band though I don't care to share this info with you. There exists a certain element of elitism in the 'alt scene'. If you can't see it then I suggest you either upgrade your lenses or get a pair of glasses.
You probably won't be able to see it cause you're part of it. But see how you greet somebody who's not part of your sacred tribe, who comes up with some criticism. Pity. Pity. Pity...
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 13:04:53 GMT 1
Sorry Mr. Luigi. I won't bother with you anymore. I don't have to concede anything because you didn't prove me wrong. Just one gig, I asked you to mention. Your silence is enough proof for me.
Of course I'm treated with contempt because I don't share the views of the tribe.
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Post by betabean on Mar 10, 2004 13:05:40 GMT 1
No because I don't represent any band. But if you mention just a couple of gigs were 'alt bands' played with other bands then I would believe your points... I can only think of one gig where an 'alt' band played with other bands and this was organised by people outside of the music scene. what is my point, according to you? so its a mortal sin for alt band not to approach other underground bands, but you don't even know if undergound bands have taken a similar initiative. nice! have you made your point to the non-alt bands about this same issue?
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Post by Pacikk on Mar 10, 2004 13:08:44 GMT 1
The punk scene? Festahwid involved two bands that are not punk.
The metal scene? They played with punk bands sometime last year at all stars.
The alt scene? You tell me.
Dance scene? Check the dansezee magazine
Reggae scene? Non existant
What other scenes do you have in mind?
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